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An Unreasonable Mandate

Ralph Nader, Bob Barr and Cynthia McKinney find common ground: state laws designed to keep third parties off the ballot.

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Thursday, August 14, 2008
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Nader's campaigners: Christina Tobin and Ralph Ferucci deliver petitions to Hartford, in 169 different sections.

Vic Lancia's phone rang. It was Ralph Nader asking for help gathering signatures to get him on the presidential ballot in Connecticut.

Lancia, a loyal foot soldier for third party political campaigns, didn't believe it was Nader. He hung up. Nader called back. Lancia still didn't believe him. "Stop fucking with me," Lancia said, and hung up again.

So Nader called Ken Krayeske, who's running his state campaign. "What are you doing giving me a guy who hangs up the phone on me?" Nader asked. Krayeske made a quick phone call to explain, and before long Lancia was outside a Middletown supermarket sweet-talking shoppers into signing for Nader.

The Nader campaign submitted 17,000 signatures to state election officials in Hartford last week—twice the number needed to secure a line on the ballot this fall—but they didn't do it alone. Nader had help petitioning from Libertarians and the Greens, who in turn got help from Nader.

In a rare show of third party unity, the campaigns of Nader, Libertarian Bob Barr and the Green Party's Cynthia McKinney, the last two former Congress members, are joining forces across state lines to overcome ballot access rules designed to keep minor party candidates out. The camps are sharing workers, swapping petitions and urging voters to sign up for another third party candidate along with their own. They've teamed up in Maine, West Virginia, Hawaii, Pennsylvania and now Connecticut, where Barr submitted 13,000 signatures and McKinney turned in "close to the necessary number," a Green Party boss says.

Libertarian petitioners were instrumental in getting Nader on the ballot in the all-important state of Pennsylvania last month, so Nader's team repaid the favor in Connecticut, dispatching his clipboard-equipped raiders on sidewalks and town greens. Not because the campaign especially loves Bob Barr, though.

"I couldn't care less about Libertarians," says Krayeske. "The hurdles to democracy that the two parties put out in front of you are so onerous that third parties are learning to cooperate."

Sidewalk petitioning can be thankless work: Campaigns pay workers $1 to $1.50 per signature to stand on baking asphalt, asking irritated grocery shoppers to sign in support of a candidate they've often never heard of, or might consider a "spoiler." Nader's national ballot coordinator, Christina Tobin of Illinois, arrived in Hartford last week to turn in the fruits of their labor.

In true Nader fashion, Tobin used the occasion to agitate rather than celebrate, telling reporters that petitioning onto Connecticut's ballot is a "tedious" and "ridiculous" process designed to "make our lives more difficult." For example: State law requires petitions be certified by local officials in Connecticut's 169 towns, even though federal law requires states maintain a centralized list of all registered voters.

That means petitioners must carry a form for every town—Andover to Woodstock—which the state then mails to those towns. Another law says petitioners must be state residents, which poses a problem because the most reliable workers are the national staffers who travel from state to state, not local volunteers. Beyond that, requiring 7,500 valid signatures when other New England states require a fraction as many (1,000 in Rhode Island, 3,000 in New Hampshire) disadvantages small-dollar grassroots campaigns, Tobin says.

 

Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz, the state's top election official, is unsympathetic. She says town officials must validate petition signatures because only they have the original signed voter cards. If something looks suspicious—say, several signatures in the same handwriting—officials need to check the source documents.

On requiring circulators to be state residents, Bysiewicz says it's perfectly reasonable. "You ought to be able to have support in the state you're running in if you are going to have a real candidacy," Bysiewicz says. But third party campaigns are modest endeavors, often relying on a few dedicated staffers to do heavy lifting over huge geographic areas. Besides, can't voters just register their support at the polls? Is luring state residents away from their jobs to spend a full day collecting signatures for $1 a pop the only way to demonstrate ballot-worthy support?

Bysiewicz is unmoved. "You ought to have people in the state willing to go out and get petition signatures."

Mike DeRosa, the state Green Party chair, disagrees. "Not everyone can just go out and petition. Some people are too shy. The two major parties will create all kinds of barriers to full participation in the political process."

abromage@newhavenadvocate.com

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Ballot access laws nationally are stacked against political innovation.

Bysiewicz must know that the two major parties do not have to submit signatures for ballot access. They are on automatically. In some cases, when they do have to gather signatures, they sometimes fail. As in this case in Ohio: http://www.ballot-access.org/2006/02/26/charlie-wilson-ohio-democrat-to-run-write-in-campaign/

Of course, even when they Dems or Reps run write-in campaigns, they still have the greater resources for advertising and political patronage.
Posted by Scott West on 8.13.08 at 12.20
Is this the same Derosa that was former Gov and prisoner #
Rep,586685 ? Is this Ferrucci the same as the one up at Public Works whose name was in the paper for an involvment in bribes,misappropriation, i never heard of that outcome ? the involvement with Ferraro carting and a cop/son team that went ballistic ?
am i mistaken or does this Ralph bear a creepy resemblance to the Mayor ,Desteff ? Are these Ferruccis the same as the owners of downtown real estate and might possibly been LLC ing with the Mayor.
ya know lots of folks mis handle funds and immediately search out real estate to hide the moolah.
No, these voting petition laws need to be tightened if anything
Posted by Joe A. on 8.13.08 at 13.36
The people lsited were NIT involved in any crimes.. check your spell idiot!!
Please remove these false claims!!
Posted by Tim McKee on 8.14.08 at 5.56
GREEN PARTY OF CONNECTICUT
News release- August 14, 2008- for immediate release
,
CT GREENS BLAME MEDIA ‘BLACK OUT’ FOR MCKINNEY NOT BEING ON FALL BALLOT
NO NEWS COVERAGE AT ALL -DOOMED PETITION DRIVE

HARTFORD, CT-Connecticut Green Party officials said they blame the news media’s ‘black out’ or NO NEWS COVERAGE of Green Party candidate Cynthia McKinney at all, even after she won the national party’s nomination, for a big part of her not being on the official ballot in the fall. They conceded falling short in their drive for 15,000 total signatures for three main reasons.

Tim McKee, a Green Party spokesperson explained “First, it is next to impossible for to run a petition drive in the public WITH OUT even the slightest news coverage to let people know you are petitioning for a candidate. The former Democrat Congresswoman turned Green Party candidate for President IS news worthy, but shockingly, NOT ONE of the local media did even one story on her running for President.. We sent out press releases, she campaigned in the state, and past Green Party candidates for President, Ralph Nader, and David Cobb have received some news articles, but not this time .We have to ask why- because she and running mate Rosa Clement are women? Women of color? Staff cut backs at local media outlets?

McKee added “Even the most obscure Democrat and Republicans had some coverage in the primaries and news links on news websites .There were articles about Ralph Nader running as an Independent and Bob Barr running as a Libertarian, but none about McKinney and the third largest party in the US’s candidate, and even thou Greens have been elected to local city and town councils in Connecticut.

“Second, 31 states have lower petition requirements than CT. and some states like Louisiana and Colorado have NO signatures requirements at all. (Ballot Access News.Org) When the petitions that were submitted early, were getting a very high 65% rejection rate for signatures by partisan Democrat and Republican voter registrars. The required 7,500 valid signatures mean submitting at least twice or three times that number and on 169 different forms -one each for each small town in CT. Even with 30 people working on this drive, we could not make the high number or challenge why so many signatures were deemed INVALID at each of the 169 town halls.” McKee said.

McKee concluded “Third, because of the quirky CT ballot laws, Greens had to have “Stand In” candidates listed and that lead to more confusion with the public. Most people are NOT going to sign for candidates they never heard of and who were going to be replaced by OTHER candidates later. Who OUR candidate were and why other people were listed was something for political insiders, and political junkies, which made it hard to collect valid signatures in the public.

Greens are considering a “Registered Write in” campaign forcing local officials to count each write in vote for McKinney.
#end of release#
Posted by Tim McKee on 8.14.08 at 6.02
I petitioned for Nader as a volunteer and found it very interesting to hear what people in Connecticut had to say about the upcoming elections. Beyond the difficulties of getting on each state ballot, getting fair media coverage to reach potential voters is even more outrageous. It was so apparent that many decisions will be made based on misinformation born by the Democratic and Republican parties. I applaud the fringe voters for not falling into these two political pits.
Posted by JRD on 8.14.08 at 12.08
All New Haven Register write ups Mr.Tim McGee, Pillsbury also has a nasty temper too. These outcasts are really about avoiding topics and hiding their agenda, sadly trying to make a mountain out of the molehill being this petition issue.Their whole joke is them trying to make a mountain out of their disgusting fraudulent party.
No Teemy ,people just don't trust you guys ,and rightfully so
Posted by Joe A. on 8.14.08 at 13.42
Both wings of the Democratic-Republican Party are largely revolting. Nearly all of them need to be removed from office and replaced with third-party and independent candidates!
Posted by Gavin Young on 8.14.08 at 15.26
And if and when you do get to clean out a hoodlum they wind up here -with the greens yapping and stammering,making threats against the folks who extracted them.
This foul little child Roland is taking bribes,he'll make a good nut in your pea soup
Posted by Joe A. on 8.15.08 at 3.42
Joe A.: No, these are not the same people you are referring to.

I ran for municipal office as a third party candidate (AKA third class citizen). Our campaign had significant disadvantages to the major party candidates. While major party candidates are automatically allowed poll-checkers ( a critical component of running an efficient campaign), our ability to serve this function was left to the discretion of the major party registrars., who denied our request I lost by 15 votes. I'm not crying in my coffee about it, but I have to think that if we had the same check-off list of voters that my opponent had access to, we could have easily pulled out 15 more votes and changed the outcome of the election. This is simply an unfair and unnecessary advantage. Now how are the people better served by this?
Posted by Bruce on 8.15.08 at 7.12
In East Rock there have been a few Greens running for Alder.
Some win,some lose. But a problem was the contributions were coming from folks with bad histories and bad intentions. Developers/Realtors,all vying for the crooked love of an elected official..NOBODY returns the money from these folks
Posted by R.F. on 8.15.08 at 15.49
R.F. Which particular candidates and which donations are you referring to? I recall John Halle actually returning an unsolicited donation from a local developer. These campaigns ran on almost no money at all. I think I spent a couple of hundred dollars on mine, mostly my own money.
Posted by Bruce on 8.19.08 at 11.03
Mr.Halle was not a bad Alderperson, he certainly came in with honest intentions.He struck fear in Mr.Desteffano,especially when he nailed that cop illegally dumping on East Rock Drive (end of Livingston into Whitney)
He disappeared pretty suddenly and w/o much of an explanation. He started off okay as did many other Alders but then he became a pile of babbling mush.I don't know if he was scaring Cam Staples or was making inroads to the Patronage & Corruption of City Hall.
If he did in fact return a local developers check it might be because it created a conflict with his Developer of choice ,that he was already indelved with a developer.
Sometimes an Alder has new friendships with Realtors etc.,they receive the money and the developer -unbeknownst to the Alder is seeking preferential treatment from City Hall.
Just what spooked Halle into oblivion ?
Posted by Joe A. on 8.20.08 at 11.24
"Developer of choice"? What power did John have to push any developments through? He had to fight tooth and nail for every pothole and street-sweeping towing he dealt with. The reason he left is because he got tired of banging his head against a wall.

If you are going to accuse a politician of being crooked on a public forum (is this not libel?), you really need more than just a hunch. Do you know of any specific incidents where he used his political influence in an unethical way? If not, I suggest you clarify your statement.
Posted by Bruce on 8.20.08 at 12.47
Dear Joe A
You cant even get my name write yet the others who you claim are past felons! Check the spelling idiot

btw, mine is McKee,, not McGee,, clue less,,
Posted by Tim McKee on 8.21.08 at 9.25
i got your name right , you retarded invalid. looks like neither of you know just how corrupt Halle was.Yes i know just who the Realtors/Developers were and that's why Halle is no more, i admit he is not as bad as others but with that pathetic ,childish ten principles of honesty mallarkey ,his kind and others have no business in politics
Posted by Joe A. on 8.21.08 at 13.45
for starters
There was a no -bid steer of 17 Nash street to a contributing developer in the East Rock area. There was a nasty issue at that address .It was owned by a cops brother. I will tell you one thing
You will never get the truth from these "people",just as fraudulent as the incumbents,if not worse because of the basis of their agenda,"clean"
Posted by Joe A. on 8.21.08 at 14.06
All of the names that i have mentioned are directly from the New Haven Register - the police blotter.That is NOT Libel
Halle snook Ward 9 due to the seat being suddenly vacated by Garcia, his next election was when he started taking the money -from Developers, that does not neccesarily mean Nyberg or Schiavvone , but pretty wealthy developers nonetheless
okay i never agreed with that term Developers for those scumbags, THAT IS their term not mine, They fix old houses using unqualified labor ,using shabby materials ,then rent it out,add it to their collection,Their rental proceeds are not too shabby.The Greens are backed by terminated Alders ,fired cops,greedy selfish developers slash Realtors ,gendmarmes, brrrrr , people caught forging sigs and a gaggle of nutjobs too lengthy to mention here.
Posted by Joe A. on 8.21.08 at 14.45
Excuse me Mr. Crowder , Have you ever had an Engineering contracts with the City of New Haven ? Any sub-contracting work with City Engineer Richard Miller ? Pray tell Bruce.
Posted by Jennifer J.Johnson on 8.21.08 at 16.45
If i might jump in here and comment ,seeing the mean green commie machine is deep in thought, huddling together ,probably enraged -OH speaking of angry.
I had a friend who saw Mr. Crowley umm Crowder -sorry-
Playing drums at Rudy's bar and grill located on Elm street, one little block up from Park street,on a Friday nite i think

He was not too bad of a drummer , He seemed a bit violent.
That was back in 99 i think ,there or abouts. Hey Bruce did'nt you have a little to-do in uncle Rudy's ?
Bruce always goes the extra mile for any student,for any slight -real or imagined.
Thanx Bruuuce
Posted by Steffani M. 04 on 8.22.08 at 13.49
Confucious say ," The only thing worse than being talked about is not getting talked about "
Posted by Sally Pines on 8.24.08 at 5.56
Jennifer, no I've never had any engineering contracts with the city. I don't do that type of engineering.

Steffani, I am a drummer and I have played Rudys a bunch of times, so that very well have been me. I wouldn't consider myself "violent", though. Are you inferring that I was in a fight or something? That would not have been me.
Posted by Bruce on 8.25.08 at 9.08
Joe A. What is a "no-bid steer"? According to the Assessor's database, 17 Nash was sold by Andrew & Cheryl-Ann Carrano to Kojo & Helen Gyamfi in 2001. What did John Halle have to do with this sale?

It pains me to watch you continue to struggle with your conspiracy theories. So I will help you the best I can.

Here is the assessor's database -- search 17 Nash and it will show the history of ownership:
http://data.visionappraisal.com/newhavenct

Here are Halle's financial filings for 2001 -- you can search for developers to your hear'ts content. Feel free to check other years' filings.
http://uat.seec.ct.gov/ecrisreporting/Data/Unassigned/2001_3286.pdf
http://uat.seec.ct.gov/ecrisreporting/Data/Unassigned/2001_4344.pdf
http://uat.seec.ct.gov/ecrisreporting/Data/Unassigned/2001_4830.pdf
http://uat.seec.ct.gov/ecrisreporting/Data/Unassigned/2001_2251.pdf

I encourage you to browse through all of the contributions and expenditures. All you have to do is find a developer or realtor who both A) contributed to the Green Party and B) benefited from some decision that John Halle (or Joyce Chen, for that matter) directly took part in. Then you have the very beginning of a scandal. Then we can talk.
Posted by Bruce on 8.25.08 at 11.10
The home on Nash street was a City Owned parcel due to a foreclosure,it was a drug house,it was dispensed thru Halle to a contributing developer . period.
Posted by joe A. on 8.25.08 at 13.19
Nope, Halle did not disclose his campaign finance , as someone mentioned before the donors always let City Hall know ,be it contracts for Attorneys, City owned abandoned buildings/lots, Municipal jobs, and now this outrageous consultant work ,advisors for taxpayers money.
Halle was so on a roll after that Nash street fiasco,heck that might have involved LCI and it was really nasty, Halle ran,LCI almost crumbled and wifebeater bob walked away with rental real estate, or whatever his/her name was
Remember how long it took to build that house ? 3 years i think, he kept asking for grants and funds ,lying his rodent little ass off about being robbed ,He/she was using the materials for another lot of his own.
Oh yeah Halle was drooling and dribbling about insane hokey promises of real estate grandeur ,that was just out of reach from his maniacal vision , and of course out of his "word" word nine ,word nine,number nine...just beyond belief just what these pols believe
Posted by Susan Mosselb. on 8.25.08 at 14.06
That home on Nash street was left to a nephew by a deceased Aunt. He tore it up and because of who he was they blamed any poor schmuck they could to save face .
Even incarcerated people who could not defend themselves to the charges,who never stepped foot in that abode ,the owner needed no help from anybody to lose that home.
And some people learn from their mistakes, some don't.
He did'nt, The Greens hope enough time will elapse where everybody will forget their deeds..

HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY OF NEW HAVEN MR.CROWDER, have u been in contact with City engineer Miller of late ? Have you sold out the bike en Mass yet ? having comp from Streever,don't be sad ,just get livid
Posted by Joe A. on 8.25.08 at 14.13
Well, this has been fun, but I am ready to stop wasting time. This was a story about the disadvantages of third party candidates. You can add "target of delusional conspiracy theorists" to the list.

These questions about contracts with the city are really kind of comical. For one, I am not an elected official nor have I ever been. For another, I have never had any contracts with the city (or subcontract or sub-subcontracts). Wouldn't I have to meet both criteria in order to have a conflict of interest? What would the city do with a catalytic combustor? What would you care if I did have a contract with the city?

I wish I was clever enough to interpret your comment about the bikes and Streever, etc.
Posted by Bruce on 8.25.08 at 19.51
you want to see comical ? go to one of their Green meetings, You want to talk about a delusionary bunch of sad hypocrites ,go there and see all 6 NHGP members who actually reside in New Haven, rosa Delauro felt so sorry for them she retrieved a Sumrall from the Dean campaign, a really sad attempt to inject intelligence to this directionless agendaless, clueless group of ingrayes who should NEVER get a smidgen of press. Apparatchicks of lost souls, of nobody actually. Clever ? Clover ,as in wish real hard on one
Posted by Joe A. on 8.26.08 at 14.06
On requiring circulators to be state residents, Bysiewicz says it's perfectly reasonable. "You ought to be able to have support in the state you're running in if you are going to have a real candidacy," Bysiewicz says. But third party campaigns are modest endeavors, often relying on a few dedicated staffers to do heavy lifting over huge geographic areas. Besides, can't voters just register their support at the polls? Is luring state residents away from their jobs to spend a full day collecting signatures for $1 a pop the only way to demonstrate ballot-worthy support?
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